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How Nanobionics is Transforming the Sleep Game for Pro Athletes and Regular People

Discover the remarkable benefits of achieving optimal sleep and how it enhances overall performance.

In this episode, Mark Kinsley and George Psipsikas, Founder and CEO of Nanobionics, shed light onthe release of human growth hormone (HGH), the challenges of disrupted schedules, and the impact of sleep on recovery and performance. Plus, they answer an intriguing quiz question on the importance of regular sleep patterns!

Listen in and explore the secrets to unlocking a restful night’s sleep and maximizing your potential.

1.) Unveiling the Science Behind Consistency in Exercise Can Affect Your Bedtime Routine:

Understanding the significance of exercise is crucial in optimizing your sleep quality. By establishing a consistent routine, even in space, your body adapts to a rhythm, triggering the release of human growth hormone (HGH) during the initial sleep cycle. This hormone is vital for recovery and rejuvenation, making it essential for athletes, astronauts, and everyday individuals seeking enhanced performance.

2) The Pitfalls of Disrupted Schedules:

Shift worker syndrome, a common problem in sleep science, arises when individuals operate outside their natural circadian rhythm. This condition particularly affects those with irregular or rotating work shifts, hindering the establishment of a stable sleep routine. The adverse consequences of disrupted schedules emphasize the importance of adhering to a consistent bedtime for optimal sleep and overall well-being.

3) The Power of a Regular Bedtime for Sleep and Performance:

Experts agree that a consistent bedtime is one of the most impactful ways to improve sleep, recovery, and performance. Irrespective of whether you’re an athlete, a professional, or an everyday person, maintaining a predictable sleep routine allows your body to harness the true power of sleep. Pairing this routine with innovative sleep technologies, such as Nanobionics, can further enhance the sleep experience.

4) Unraveling Sleep Study Insights:

A fascinating sleep study involving participants spending extended periods in a semi-dark room revealed intriguing findings. Most participants required additional sleep time to catch up on their sleep debt, demonstrating a widespread prevalence of sleep deprivation. These findings serve as a wake-up call for individuals who consistently fall short of meeting their biological sleep needs (psst: It’s also our sleep summit quiz question!).

5) Personal Sleep Patterns and Variations:

Sleep requirements differ among individuals. Humans seem to be the only species that intentionally delay sleep. Recognizing and respecting our unique sleep needs is essential for achieving optimal rest and well-being. Unlocking the potential of a restful night’s sleep is within your reach. By establishing a consistent bedtime routine, you can tap into the rejuvenating power of sleep, optimize recovery, and enhance your overall performance. Whether you’re an athlete, a shift worker, or a dedicated professional, prioritizing your sleep health is key to unlocking your full potential. Embrace the science-backed wisdom and embark on a journey towards a better night’s sleep and a more fulfilling life. Remember, your bedtime routine holds the key to unlocking your true potential.

To explore innovative sleep technologies and discover how Nanobionics can revolutionize your sleep experience, visit George Psipsikas’ website at nanobionic-group.com. Invest in your sleep health and unlock a world of possibilities. Sweet dreams await!


Mark Kinsley: You can sleep on an innovation chosen by NASA iTech as one of the top 10 products worldwide that could impact space exploration. The founder of Nano Bio this year and the Sleep Summit Show begins right now.

Mark Kinsley: Welcome to the Sleep Summit Show, uncovering bold ideas with innovators, entrepreneurs, and thought leaders making waves inside the sleep industry. Our guest today is George Sike, the founder of and c e O of Nano Bionics, a company that uses material technologies to transform natural body heat into usable energy.

His products are placed in clothing, pillows, sheets, and yes mattresses. George, welcome to the Sleep Summit Show.

George Psipsikas: Hi, mark. Thank you very much for having me. And, uh, thank you for the, for the introduction.

Mark Kinsley: It’s a pleasure to have you here. Now we’re gonna find out where is the strangest place George has ever slept, and you’re gonna find that out later in the show.

Before we dive into your story, George, and the origin of Nano Bionics, we begin each episode with a Sleep Summit quiz question. That we will answer at the end of the show. So today’s quiz question focuses on a sleep study that placed participants into a semi darkened room with nothing but their bed for 12 hours a day for one month.

So for 12 hours a day, for 30 days, they came into this room with only a bed. So in the beginning, many people who are sleep deprived, these participants would sleep about 10 to 12 hours each night after about a week. The participants sleep leveled off to an average of how many hours and minutes each night, how many hours and minutes each night did their sleep level off to?

So be thinking about your guests. And we’ll have George and myself reveal the answer later in the sh in the show. So George, your website describes nano bio as a soft coating made of infrared emitting minerals that can be applied to any type of surface, such as CLO, foam, or textiles. So I have to start with this.

Once NBIS is applied to a surface like that, what does it do?

George Psipsikas: Okay, so. As you described, nano is a blend of minerals that is applied as a soft coating on any kind of textile. And, um, um, once it comes in close proximity with the human body, the minerals get activated with body heat and um, uh, and then they start emitting far infrared back to the body.

Far infrared are invisible waves of light that have the ability to penetrate the skin and stimulate blood flow. It’s a similar technology that is used in the face recognition of the iPhone or, you know, other phones, uh, invisible waves of light. Read your face. And, and unlocks the phone. Uh, it’s also a similar technology that is used in the infrared soundness.

Um, it’s used in the remote control of your TV that changes the, the channels or, uh, the car t that turns, turns on and off the, uh, the locks. Um, and also, uh, it’s, uh, it’s the same technology that nowadays is used in the incubators of newborn babies. Hmm. Um, so it’s so safe. And, uh, one of the first, uh, to work with infrared light.

Uh, it was NASA where they were using these big infrared lamps, um, in astronauts so they could improve circulation while they’re in, in space face.

Mark Kinsley: Wow. So improved circulation. Let’s go there for a minute, because I think my initial question was exactly what you answered once it’s put back into the body.

What function does it perform and it performs the function of improving circulation. So for people who may not know what happens when you have reduced circulation, or what does improve circulation do for the body?

George Psipsikas: Oh, okay. I, I’m gonna refer to both. Um, so once you sleep on a mattress or on a, on a. Soft betting product treated with nano bionic technology.

What happens is that you improve your quality of sleep. Uh, your, your, you know, your quality of sleep improves significantly. And we’ve done, um, a sleep study in France and we’ve seen that, uh, because of the stimulation of blood flow muscles. Um, they get softened and they recover faster. So you’re not, you’re not tight, uh, let’s say.

And, um, once you improve circulation, oxygenation is also increased, uh, in the body. So your body recovers much, much faster. Uh, it’s all about recovery and quality of sleep based on the study that we have conducted, um, on, um, uh, on mattresses and, uh, bedding products with nano, we’ve seen that. People fell asleep faster, on average, around 15 minutes faster.

They wake up less times during the night, and when and when they woke up, they were more rested, less tired, and more energetic. That’s incredible. And it’s all because of the, you know, of the, of the beautiful benefits of infrared and the stimulation of blood flow that I’ve mentioned.

Mark Kinsley: Yeah. I’ve heard a guy named Gary Breca say, Where there is oxygen, there is lack of disease, and where there is blood flow, there’s oxygenation to the those parts of the bodies.

I mean, that’s one of the big things with pressure relief in a mattress is you’re always trying to make sure that you don’t have a gasketing effect that eliminates blood flow and oxygen going into those parts of the bodies, which would obviously lead to bedsores. When, when you came across this technology, let’s go back to that origin story.

What. What was that moment? What did you see? Where were you at? How did you discover this and how did you think I’m gonna map this over to clothing and eventually bedding and sleep products?

George Psipsikas: Okay, so I mean, uh, I created this technology, uh, back in 2010, but the intention had nothing to do with sleep. Um, I was very athletic and I was very much into.

Uh, sports just like you. Um, you mentioned before we started the show, uh, so I, I, I wanted to find a natural way to improve athletic performance and I was, you know, I was watching lots of friends and, um, um, And, and strangers at the gym that they were using all these supplements. Some of them, they were not really that good, uh, for the body and all these energy drinks full of caffeine and sugar.

Um, and they were clearly not really good for the body. So I wanted to find a natural way to improve athletic performance. And through my research I’ve seen that the mechanism to to improve athletic performance is through the circulatory system. Once you improve circulation, You can improve athletic performance.

Uh, so that’s how Nano, uh, uh, was born. Uh, so I started nano basically because I wanted to, um, sell natural enhancing products, uh, two athletes and, um, the first, uh, couple of years of our operation. Uh, where, where, you know, where we started in Europe, uh, the focus was, uh, purely athletic, uh, clothes to professional athletes so they can improve their, uh, athletic performance.

That’s incredible. But then, you know, down the line, uh, we’ve seen that, um, you know, once you stimulate blood flow, there are so many other potential benefits. Um, and, uh, we started receiving requests from some of the professional athletes. And, you know, and when I, when I say athletes, I don’t mean about local athletes.

We used to work and we still do, uh, work with professional athletes, NBA athletes, NFL players, Olympic athletes, national teams, uh, athletes of the greatest, um, Uh, success and importance, let’s say in the sports world. And, um, you know, performance was extremely important for them. But then they started becoming extremely aware of recovery.

Uh, back in time. Recovery was not the most important things, the, the most important thing when it comes to enhancing performance. But then it became so, um, so, uh, linked. Recovery and performance became like one thing. If you cannot recover, you cannot perform. So we started re receiving requests from some of the professional athletes, um, to, to provide them with our fabrics, uh, for, for their mattresses, like as bed suits.

And, uh, and that’s how the idea of, uh, of creating betting product with nano Bionic, uh, started after some requests from athletes. So, Um, and, uh, not long after, um, we decided to run, uh, a sleep study, uh, in a sleep institute in France to see if there are any actual measurable benefits. And, uh, after the study came, it became clear, uh, that uh, there are clear benefits to sleeping, uh, you know, on products with onic technology.

And that’s how we got into market.

Mark Kinsley: Let’s go there for a minute. Talk about that sleep study and what were those measurable markers that indicated, uh, an enhancement in performance or recovery or whatever other variables you were trying to measure.

George Psipsikas: Okay, so, uh, let me say that to date nano has conducted eight different scientific studies.

Uh, we have measured, uh, athletic performance, um, and, and we’ve seen that, uh, when nano is used in athletic apparel, uh, you increase your muscle strength, your endurance, and your flexibility. Um, then we’ve done a sleep study where we’ve seen that, um, you fall asleep faster, you wake up less times during the night, and when you wake up.

You feel more rested, more energetic, and of course less tired because so many people they, you know, they go to bed and they wake up tired, and that defeats the purpose. The idea is to feel really well, well rested and ready to go. Um, then we’ve also conducted studies, um, on proving that, uh, our technology reduces the free radicals and the oxidative stress on a cellular level.

And, um, that was a very big study. It was conducted, um, uh, in collaboration with two universities and the National Research Institute of Technology. Um, In Greece, in Italy and in Sweden. It was a combination of three different institutes. And, uh, we basically seen that the nano products, uh, provide antioxidant benefits, and that’s by reducing the free radicals in the oxidative stress on a cellular level.

Uh, it’s something that, uh, derives from, uh, from the stimulation of blood flow, which allows better oxygenation. So it’s the same reaction of things that happens to the body, uh, that you get these benefits. Um, then we have also conducted other studies. Um, the latest study was done in collaboration with uc, Berkeley, in California, and we’ve seen that, uh, nano stimulates blood flow, uh, in the extremities and, and that allows more blood to flow, uh, into, you know, uh, into the hands and feet, uh, which increases.

Temperature on people with cold hands, not on people with normal blood circulation. Um, and that was something that, um, nasa, uh, sometime ago saw, saw the results of the study with Berkeley and, um, they, they actually awarded us as one of the top 10 most innovative companies in the world, and one of the 10 companies that will impact space exploration in the near future.

Mark Kinsley: George, that is an impressive designation for NASA to identify your company and your technology as something that could impact missions to the Moon and to Mars. Whenever you got that news, did you get any feedback from NASA about how they saw this applying? Uh, now of course you mentioned whenever you go into space, into a zero gravity environment, your blood flow can decrease.

So I can see the natural connection there to increases in blood flow. But did they identify any other, uh, futuristic or, uh, magical opportunities that would be applied in in space exploration?

George Psipsikas: Yeah. Uh, so, um, after we’d been selected by NASA as top 10, initially we were selected as top 25 finalists, and then, uh, a few days later we’re top 10 finalists.

So we had to travel to New Mexico, uh, at the Space Center where, uh, you know, all the 10 companies were awarded. And they had to go through a process, uh, with all the scientific team of nasa. And, uh, there we discussed the different, uh, Possibilities for the technology. Um, one of them is being in the space suits, uh, so it can constantly, uh, improve circulation while they’re in zero gravity.

Uh, other potential applications is for astronauts when they come from space, uh, because, uh, they lose muscle mass, um, spending, you know, months in space in zero gravity. Uh, so recovery is extremely important for them. Uh, just to get an idea now, NASA is planning to send people to Mars in collaboration with SpaceX and, uh, the first astronauts, they will stay there for years.

Uh, we don’t know exactly how long, but it’s gonna be much longer than, you know, the short trips that we had, uh, in the space station or, you know, in the moon. Um, so the only solution that they have right now, For, uh, for astronauts to maintain, um, a good physical condition and to keep their blood floating is for them to exercise, uh, almost two and a half hours a day.

And, and that’s for the rest of their lives. And we’re not talking about normal exercise because there’s no gravity. So they need to use elastic bands. Um, they, they cannot, they cannot do like a treadmill the same way. Uh, so they need to do certain things, which for the long run, it’s almost impossible.

Nobody will be able to keep up with, you know, two or two and a half hours training a day. Um, and everything is a muscle. Everything from our heart, um, to, to our, you know, normal muscles throughout the body, uh, is, is part of the muscle system. So we have demonstrated that we can provide the solution for this problem.

Uh, so that’s, that’s the exciting part.

Mark Kinsley: That’s incredible. Yeah. I’ve seen the machine that they had a nickname for it, that the astronauts actually use. That’s like a treadmill, but, It, it literally has a harness that attaches them to the treadmill so they can actually not float away as they’re running.

And like you said, uh, very cumbersome, almost impossible to maintain for a long period of time. Uh, but yeah, I’ve, I’ve talked to Chris Cassidy. He’s a 500 person in space. He was chief astronaut with nasa and he, he talked about the rigors of trying to maintain an exercise routine and then getting back and still having significant loss of muscle mass.

Uh, incredible work. George, when when you started into the sleep space and you began looking at providing sheets for professional athletes who wanted to gain a performance and a recovery advantage, and you began navigating this sleep space, what are some of the other technologies or companies or insights that you came across that really gave you, um, some of those aha moments about where the sleep space is heading or how nano Bionics could participate in it?

George Psipsikas: Um, so, I mean, I’m sure you’re familiar with the, the betting industry in general has been a very traditional industry. There hasn’t been very many changes until the last few years that we started seeing a lot of, uh, advances and, and, and a lot of different technologies. Most of the times these technologies, they come from the apparel world.

Um, Uh, or, or from other industries. Um, for example, the cooling, uh, technology, right? Uh, it started slowly, now it expanded like really fast. And, um, this is, um, something that, uh, that came from, um, uh, from the apparel industry. I mean, we’ve seen it there before. Um, actually the first time I’ve seen cooling, it was maybe like, I don’t wanna say.

15 years ago, something like that. And I haven’t thought that it would go to the, to the bedding industry, to the sleep industry. It didn’t, it didn’t click initially. Um, but I mean, so many different technologies are coming, um, in, into the market. Some of them, they make more sense, some of them a little bit less.

Is something that really interacts with the body and, and provides a better night’s sleep. Um, so it’s not just a feeling, it’s not like a cooling, for example, that you feel instantly, but then it fades away, uh, with time. Uh, so it’s something that really happens throughout the whole night and improves your quality of sleep.

Uh, also it’s, it’s, it’s important to mention that nano body can be combined with many different other technologies. It can be combined with cooling, it can be combined with antimicrobial, um, it can be combined with moisture leaking or anything else that is, that is out there, uh, diminishing the effects of, uh, any other technology.

Mark Kinsley: George is nano something that. You wanna put into mattresses that you make, and I, I know you do that. I know you make mattresses and sheets and pillows and toppers and a variety of products in the clothing space. Is it something that you also want other mattress manufacturers to be able to place into their foams or into their covers and sell it as kind of an intel inside?

George Psipsikas: Yes. Correct. Uh, so this is, so we do both. Um, we started from Europe, uh, by making, um, Final products for consumers like bed sheets and pillows and, and mattresses. Um, and, uh, we currently do very well, but at the same time, we also license our technology to, to other, uh, bedding manufacturers or mattress manufacturers or even furniture manufacturers.

I don’t know if I. Uh, I don’t know if we talked about it in the past, um, but recently we’ve made the global partnership with La-Z-Boy, um, for wellness and recovery. So now you can find an avan technology powering, uh, LAZBOYs furniture. Uh, and this is a global partnership that is going in in multiple countries in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, uh, Australia.

Latin America, et cetera. It’s, it’s a global partnership. Um, so it’s something that can really go on anything that comes in close proximity with the human body.

Mark Kinsley: Wow, that’s incredible. Congratulations on that partnership with La-Z-Boy and an incredible company, like you said, a global company and for people that, uh, may be sitting or people that may have to sit for long periods of time.

We should be taking advantage of every opportunity we can to increase that blood flow and make sure that there’s some sort of health and wellness attached to our body. And, and like you said on your website, I think it, it mentions that the human body produces around a hundred watts of energy at any given time, so you’re now able to harness and recycle that energy and let it help you increase your blood flow so that mm-hmm.

You’re not suffering the effects of what typically happens when you sit for long periods of time, including, you know, numbness and, and pressure sores and pressure ulcers for people that are immobile. It’s incredible. Cold

George Psipsikas: hands, cold feet, you know, some of the effects. I mean, what you’ve mentioned is great.

Imagine our body produces so much energy that is, that is powerful enough to charge around 20 iPhones per hour. That’s how much energy. If we, if we try to put it in context, right, that’s how much energy our body produces. All this energy goes wasted, it comes out in the form of heat. Um, so with Nano, we found a way to capture this energy, this heat, and transform it into beneficial far infrared, this invisible waves of light that have the ability to.

To stimulate your blood flow and, and improve your overall wellness. And, um, and that comes with improving your quality of sleep, uh, enhancing your recovery or boosting your energy throughout the day, you will feel less tired, cuz as I said, um, the mechanism, the body mechanism for performing and for, uh, recovering is the same.

It’s the circulatory system. So it’s extremely important.

Mark Kinsley: George, what are some of the specific stories from, uh, athletes or anyone beyond that they’ve told you, Hey, I started using a product with nbi. Maybe it was sheets, maybe it was clothing, and here’s what I noticed. Uh, or any, any stories from famous people or athletes or anything you can share about those performance enhancements?

George Psipsikas: Yeah, I mean, uh, we have so many athletes, so many professional athletes, um, of course amateur athletes like you and me, there are so many. Um, but you know, for them, you don’t need to convince them. They know their maximum capacity on doing things and, um, they know how far they can jump. They know how much weight they can lift at any given time.

So when they see that something really improves their performance in a meaningful way, um, they, they just go for it. It’s, uh, it’s their whole life. Um, maybe it’s more difficult for me and you to measure our performance, uh, in a scientific way, but they have all the necessary tools available so, With athletes, they get really addicted, um, in, in a good way.

You know, once they try nano products, they really want to, you know, to live with them. Um, I mean, we have many cases of, especially in the basketball world, um, I mean, I don’t want to mention names. Uh, we have NBA athletes that they cannot perform, they cannot play games. Uh, without wearing onic products. And, um, there were cases that, uh, uh, sometime, you know, an athlete, uh, they did not have their, they they lost or they did not have them, um, like a t-shirt or socks with nano.

And we had to rush, uh, into the game. We had to send somebody, uh, to bring, uh, in an urgent way products so they can wear, because, you know, athletes, they have a routine and if you change it, Uh, they feel like, uh, the whole world is going down sometimes, so they need to keep that routine, um, in order for them to perform.

Mark Kinsley: George, where can people, so first of all, we’re gonna get to the strangest place you’ve ever slept, and we’re gonna get to our sleep summit quiz. Question for people who are interested in getting connected to you or learning more about nano bios, where should they go? Okay.

George Psipsikas: Uh, when it comes to, uh, technology, and that’s a, a business to business website, it’s mostly for, uh, part, for for large com for large or small companies that want to partner with Nano Bionic.

Um, our website is nano bio, uh, das group.com. Uh, that’s the B2B website and, uh, for commercial products, uh, you can find us@nanobionic.com.

Mark Kinsley: Nano bionic.com. Okay. The moment we’ve been waiting for the strangest place George Seep has ever

George Psipsikas: slept. Okay. I don’t know how strange it is, but when I was, you know, when I was younger, uh, my father was a car dealer.

Um, and, uh, Both my brother and myself, we were living around cars, so we used to constantly sleep inside cars, brand new cars at the time, you know, um, so I, I, I would always find myself sleeping in a car. It’s not the the strangest thing, but sleeping on brand new cars all the time and, and having that smell of, of brand new car, uh, It was like, I don’t know, uh, it’s, it, it creates like a sleepy feeling.

Like when I get into a new car now, uh, I feel like sleeping because I remember I have that feeling since I was a kid.

Mark Kinsley: What a great story. Yeah. I, I know the signals you create. I’m always telling people about bedtime routines, making sure that, you know, I lower my lights, you know, around 8:00 PM so there’s campfire light in my room and.

The white noise machine or the, it’s actually brown noise machine. I click that on, I take a shower at night to give myself a full body signal that it’s time to go to bed. But then just like you described, smell is, uh, has such a magical way of transporting you through time and reintroducing something that you, you felt in that moment.

So every time you see new cars, so George, it sounds like I, I know you live in New York City, but if you do drive, make sure you’re driving a used car, cuz we don’t want

George Psipsikas: you fall. Can you imagine falling asleep, like going to buy a new car and then falling asleep? Because I used to do that when I was a kid.

Yeah. But that’s, that’s the weird thing, right. About routines that you, that you mentioned.

Mark Kinsley: They work, they do. They do work. I mean, I, I was just looking at some sleep science, uh, today and they said, uh, during the first, uh, hour and a half, so I think it’s their first, you know, cycle of sleep. That’s when human growth hormone is released and it happens whenever you have a consistent bedtime, your body gets into, into the habit of releasing those hormones, and it only happens during that first cycle.

So if your standard bedtime is 10:00 PM and you decide one night to push that back to 11:00 PM you can’t generate that cycle of H g h release by going to bed at 11. You miss it for that night. Oh, wow. You do. You miss it for the

George Psipsikas: night. Doesn’t it move with the time you sleep?

Mark Kinsley: It it, it does not. So over time, if you established a new bedtime as 11:00 PM.

You eventually would, would kickstart that back, back into, into action so your H g h release would happen. Uh, but we are such creatures of the clock and we don’t even know it. Oh, wow.

George Psipsikas: That’s very interesting. And, and and, and what happens to people with, uh, with upset schedule like doctors and they don’t really get the benefits of

Mark Kinsley: That’s true.

I mean, shift worker syndrome is a really established. Problem within sleep science because people are operating outside of their circadian rhythm. They’re maybe if they’re shift workers and they’re rotating their shifts and then they never get into anything that can allow them to harness somewhat of a schedule, even though it’s not in alignment with the, the circadian rhythm or the, you know, the clock of the day.

So, yeah, it’s, it’s a major problem. And, and I, whenever I dissect a lot of the different books I’ve read about sleep and listen to the different experts, professionals, doctors, researchers, I. I distilled everything down into one common piece of advice, and it was the bedtime. They say, if you want to have a, one of the biggest impacts on your bed, on your sleep, on your recovery, on your performance, on being able to harness the true recovery power of sleep, it’s having that consistent bedtime and, and of course coupling it with nano bios.

George Psipsikas: Yeah. Yes, for sure. If you want a bed at night’s sleep, then uh, that’s definitely can help your sleep. And, uh, if your recovery is important for your everyday performance, whether you’re an athlete, an astronaut, um, or you know, an everyday person like, like me, uh, then, uh, that’s really the way to go.

Mark Kinsley: All right, it’s time for our quiz question.

So we started the show with our sleep summit quiz question, and it dealt with this study where participants were put into a semi dark room for 12 hours a day for a month. So every day for 12 hours a day, they’d come back to this semi dark room. Most of them slept about 10 to 12 hours, and then after, after about a week, they caught up on their sleep and it started to level off and the participants leveled off at an average of how many hours and minutes each night.

Now I’m gonna help you out on the minutes. It’s either 15, 30, or 45. So how many hours and minutes each night?

George Psipsikas: I would say eight hours and 45 minutes. Very

Mark Kinsley: close. Very close. Eight hours and 15 minutes. Oh wow. Okay. And if you think about it, I looked at that study and I thought, okay, number one, it shows how many people are sleep deprived, that most of the participants did need extra time to get caught up on their sleep.

But then, you know, people that are getting, you know, seven hours a night, maybe undercutting what they actually need in terms of their biological sleep needs. So eight hours and 15 minutes was the winter. How many, how many hours do you get a night typically?

George Psipsikas: Uh, I would say around eight hours.

Mark Kinsley: Same for me.

I, I end up when I’m well rested and because I’m working out a lot, I’m cycling a lot. Sometimes I’ll go a little bit beyond eight hours if I’ve got a big, big race coming up and I’m putting in a lot of miles on my bike. Uh, but yeah, I’m, I’m an eight hours guy myself.

George Psipsikas: Yeah. And I don’t know, I mean, I wake up no matter what, uh, I cannot sleep.

Like I’m, I’m so zealous of people that they can sleep for 10 hours. Like my wife, she can sleep for 11 hours if I, you know, if there’s nothing, like, there’s no reason to wake up Mostly in the weekend, she can, she can go for it. And I’m so jealous that I cannot, I dunno, I’m built that way, I guess. Wife. Some people need way more, some people less.

You know,

Mark Kinsley: my wife Tara’s the same way. She can sleep for 10 hours, 10 and a half hours. I always joke around, I’m like, Hey, you’re just not, you’re just not your, your same, you’re not your best if you don’t get your 10 and a half hours a night. Yeah. And,

George Psipsikas: and you know what? That, that’s gonna be funny. I also have a small, small dog.

Uh, her name is Tiffany and I’m mostly jealous of her because they can go in and out of sleep in like seconds. And I, I, I could only wish I was like that.

Mark Kinsley: You know, those are, so this may be, this may be pseudoscience, so don’t quote me on this, but I did read at one point years ago that humans are the only species that intentionally delays sleep.

Now, of course, if you’re an animal and you’re, you know, getting chased out on the Serengeti, if you’re not gonna, you’re not gonna go to sleep at that moment. But whenever you don’t have any of the hostilities of the natural world, yeah, we, we seem to be the only an, uh, species that intentionally delays sleep.

Uh, so yeah, because we we’re working, that’s why we’re having sleep. That’s right. Well, hey George, that’s great. Thank you so much for, for being on the show. Uh, we appreciate your wisdom, your insights, and the innovation that you’re bringing to the sleep industry and the broader sleep economy. Uh, you can get connected withGeorge@nanobionic-group.com.

And of course, if you Google nano Bionics really amazing technology and, uh, I, I have a feeling we’re gonna be seeing a lot more of it in the mattress industry and beyond as we move forward. So thank you again for being on the show.

George Psipsikas: Mark. Thank you very much for having me. It’s really an honor. Uh, congrats for all the great work you do.

Uh, and thank you again for having me. It was a pleasure.

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